Military Casualties During The Bill Clinton Administration
As I write this there have been about 3100 soldiers killed in Iraq fighting for and defending this country. This is from 2003 until now. I know this because we are constantly barraged with the death toll on the news every day. Can you image fighting WWII with the coverage as it is today?
Our enemy killed about the same number of us in one day on our soil, but sadly that has been forgotton.
Here is a list of how many US soldiers were killed when Bill Clinton was in office. We didn’t get constant death tolls the way we do now, so you probably haven’t seen these numbers before.
1993-1,245
1994-1,109
1995-1,055
1996-1,008
That is a total of 4,417 military deaths during the Clinton years.
























I think it is unfortunate someone should be allowed to claim such garbage.
There is no information to support such accusations.
I do believe the information could be true, however, if so it is because
many military die in non combat years. Causes, suicide, accidents, homicides, botched surgeries. I mean come on for anyone to equate deaths in the Clinton years to that of Iraq is at the very least shameful and the very worst a criminal conspirator.
Clinton did not start an illegal war and the writer knows this.
Bob Lloyd
Ewa Beach, Hawaii
You will not have the mainstream media publish this information. Which is a shame to our service men and women serving in Iraq.
He bob did you forget about Clinton’s unauthorized and illegal war in the Balkans? You know the, Balkans where thousands of Serbian civilians died from US bombs. Hey bob did you forget about Clinton’s unauthorized and illegal war in Somalia? You know Somalia, that’s where your boy Billy ran like a little bitch after 18 Rangers got killed. Hey bob did you forget about Clinton’s unauthorized and illegal war in Haiti? Hey bob did you forget about Clinton’s unauthorized and illegal bombing of a benign aspirin factory in Sudan? Hey bob did you forget about Clinton’s nine year, unauthorized and illegal bombing of Iraq? Hey bob did you forget about Clinton’s illegal and unauthorized bombing of Afghanistan? Hey bob STFU.
Petraeus’s Letter has ensured that America will lose this war. Therefore we might as well leave Iraq now.
I hated Clinton. But at least he knew how to fight a war as he did so quite effectively against Serbia. Of course none of our national interests were involved there like it is in Iraq. This defeat is going to really hurt us but Petraeus has ensured our defeat so I say might as well get out now since we are going to lose no matter how long we stay there.
“Hey bob STFU.” — 3 Ajnin
ditto that!
Looks like you have all the bases covered. Nice smack down.
The Balkans/Bosnia war was a NATO action . 43,000 NATO troops and 7,000 American troops. “ONE” US soilder was killed.
Thank you for these numbers. I have put them on the sidebar of my Blog.
No problem. Isn’t it amazing how none of these numbers weren’t reported back then. I guess it isn’t.
I have added your blog to my blogroll.
hey sue, clinton also had a known enemy, bush is fighting against men, women and children with bombs strapped to their chest underneath a robe. Let me know when superman gets here with his X-Ray vision, will ya?
…..Get a clue
I hear that the number of military deaths during Bush’s two terms has already exceeded 10,000. We’re counting suicides, accidents, disease, homicides, surgical complications, overdoses, heart attacks, and of yes, the 4,000 killed in Iraq (assuming we lose our 4,000th soldier before the end of calendar year 2007).
I see a lot of facts in this posting and A lot of conjecture in the negative responses. That is the Liberal way–Fight facts with fiction. Hitler had a similar philosophy.
It’s the old saying Dennis, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
The statistics made above are completely bogus. Please give me sources and statistics on “combat deaths” durring Somalia, Haiti, Kosovo. I don’t think you will even break 100.
Furthermore, calling these operations wars is laughable. They were police actions where the goal was trying to keep the peace. Which is now the same goal in Iraq; however, we created the instability, and now we are stuck. However, I fully support and wish for success in Iraq–if that requires more military action so be it.
And as a final note–It seems there are a lot of people out there that simply want things to fail because it was an action proposed by the opposing political party. I saw this with Clinton and I’m seeing it with Bush now. Grow up people. Get over your trivial issues with our Presidents. Quite crying about issues like abortion, gay rights, gun control, stem cells (the list of trivial issues go’s on and on). Seriously, who gives a darn about who’s running the show, I just wish for a positive outcome.
Time will only tell whether or not Iraq was a good idea. Right now we just need to make the best we can of it, because if we don’t, we will look like even bigger idiots.
Nowhere in my post did I say they were combat deaths, just the number of deaths that the military incurred while Bill Clinton was in office. My point being that we are at war, and while unfortunate it is a reality of war that people will die. I was just compairing how many military deaths there were during a time of relative peace compaired to how many have died during this war.
Every day we are subjected to the death toll, which is very low for a war of this duration, so I just wanted to point out that the military deaths of this war aren’t that much greater than the military deaths incurred under Clinto during peace times.
I would be curious to see the number of casualites, whether related to hostile or nonhostile for both administrations. Comparing the number of war-related deaths only to the total number of deaths for Clinton’s administration isn’t really looking at the whole story. Believe me, I do not like Clinton, but I’d like see a total on these casualties before comparing them.
It’s OK to quote statistics, polls, comments ad-infinitum about the Iraq war. The cold, hard thing is that it continues as a blood-bath with no real target in it’s sights. The Muslims simply want anyone they disagree with, DEAD!! (In the name of their god).
When the “all we need is love” crowd accepts this and realizes that the US in not the bad guy in this world and sees that as we run away from this conflict more and more civilians in this country will be strewn in pieces in malls and on the streets because of crazy men and women who strap on sticks of explosives and blow themselves to smithereens all in the name of Allah.
When the Bush hater-Clinton lovers stop their adoration of the sleezebag Hillary (who, while denouncing everyone in the republican party as being immoral, maintains her fake relationship with a man who was an adulterer, sex-pervert, thief, liar, perjurer and whoa, only the second president in our history to be impeached by his peers) and wake up to reality that if and when she gets the reins of this country, we’ll see all that is left of our society go down the toilet with one grat big flush.
Hey Bob,
Peace-keeping missions, dumbass. Bill Clinton cut this military in half, and then sent them to Somalia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Haiti. Remember Black Hawk Down???? Okay, you’re point has now been blown out of the water. Please look up your FACTS before making accusations……
The figures are approximately correct - but misleading.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
You cited - not hostile deaths, but total military deaths out of an average 1.5 million men serving each year. Almost all were accidents, illness, or suicides.
About 2.3 million American civilians per year died from various causes during the Clinton years - should we count these as well?
A more accurate count for Clinton is:
Haiti - 0 (+ non-hostile - 4); Somalia - 29 (+ non-hostile - 14)
Kosovo - 1
Are you are trying to convince us you weren’t purposely being misleading?
Joe, I’m glad you chimed in, as I was on a fact finding mission to compare two, and couldn’t believe that the posters were actually buying into this as a meaningful statistic.
Let’s go and get numbers of total military deaths from the last 8 years and see where we are then.
Logic does not apply in this country any longer. It has gone out the window. On BOTH sides.
LOGIC is the One thing that although he claimed to have studied ( musta have failed the course) is really lost on Reid and his constant lack of understanding that when discussing the Agriculture Bill he needs not to discuss Iraq and his Fixation on Losing… Only CNN, and that other Useless network of “hate” ( msnbc)misinformation are fixated on American Casualties Numbers…
POINT IS THAT;
They attacked us and we are at war… and America has not been attacked..
Conversely the Failed Tuck the tail and Whine Policies of Bubba gave us Multiple attacks on Domestic as well as on Foreign Soil to American Lives and Property Culminating in 9/11… is this another reason for not revealing the “Secret papers” and the Sandy Burgles Pant hose raid?? .. and is that the Experience that they claim “she’ has???? .. Logic ain’t Present after all is it????
War is not a partisan issue, and it’s sickening to hear Americans make it one. I had an Army Command Sergeant Major tell me once, on the occasion of his retirement from Active Duty, “In wartime, you’re the best thing since sliced bread. In peacetime you’re a piece of shit.” This was the observation of a man who retired in 1994 after 30 years service to the nation under Commanders in Chief from both major American political parties. He did not delineate treatment of the military under either party as better or worse. He was making a comment on the American peoples’ attitude toward the military in peace and war.
Don’t use political affiliation as a determining factor when deciding the validity of this war or that. Ask only two questions. 1) Was the war waged as an absolute last resort after diplomacy had been tried, tried again, and tried yet further. 2) Did the reasons given by our government for going to war survive intact throughout the conflict.
Here are annual fatalities of military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2006:
1980 …………2,392
1981 …………2,380
1984 ………..1,999
1988 ………..1,819
1989 ………..1,636
1990 ………..1,508
1991 ………..1,787
1992 ………..1,293
1993 ………..1,213
1994 ………..1,075
1995 ………..2,465
1996 ……….2,318 Clinton years @14,000 deaths
1997 …………..817
1998 ………..2,252
1999 ………..1,984
2000 ………..1,983
2001 …………..890
2002 ………..1,007
2003 ………..1,410
2004 ………..1,887
2005 …………..919
2006……………920
If you are confused when you look at these figures…so was I.
Do these figures mean that the loss from the two latest conflicts in the Middle East are LESS than the loss of military personnel during Mr. Clinton’s presidency; when America wasn’t even involved in a war? And, I was even more confused; when I read that in 1980, during the reign of President (Nobel Peace Prize) Jimmy Carter, there were 2,392 US military fatalities!
These figures indicate that many of our Media & Politicians will pick and choose. They present only those reporting. Why do so many of them march in lock-step to twist the truth. Where do so many of them get their marching-orders for their agenda?
Our Mainstream Print and TV media, and many Politicians like to slant; that these brave men and women, who are losing their lives in Iraq , are mostly minorities! Wrong AGAIN— just one more media lie! The latest census, of Americans, shows the following distribution of American citizens, by Race:
European descent (White) ………….69.12%
Hispanic …………………………………….12.50%
Black…………………………………………..12.30%
Asian ……………………………………………3.70%
Native American …………………………..1.00%
Other ……………………………………………2.60%
Now here are the fatalities by Race; over the past three years in Operation Iraqi Freedom:
European descent (white) ………. 74.31%
Hispanic ………………………………… 10.74%
Black …………………………………………9.67%
Asian ………………………………… ……1.81%
Native American ………………………..1.09%
Other …………………………………………0.33%
You do the Math! These figures don’t lie… but, Media-liars figure…and they sway public opinion! These statistics are published by Congressional Research Service, and they may be confirmed by anyone at:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf )
Now ask yourself these two questions:
Why does the mainstream Print and TV Media never print statistics like these?
And why do we have to find out this information on the web?
I’m so glad I found this. I’m 24 and a majority of people my age just watch TV and see all the liberal media. They never see this stuff. I’m a big myspacer and I’m really growing tired of people slandering Bush’s name.
It appears that the military casualties during the Clinton years, though we were not at war, are comparable to those during the Bush Administration.
Why would there be that many more deaths caused by accidents, etc. during the Clinton years to offset those attributed to war during the Bush era? (I am assuming the stated numbers are correct.) Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
I was in the military during the Clinton years. I noticed that every time he took a dip in the polls or had something bad happen politically, he sent the military somewhere to bomb or shoot someone. Until Somalia backfired on him. We took some casualties there and it was a media feeding frenzy and then whooosh….America was gone from Somalia.
I get so tired of liberal, defeatest Democrats that whine on and on and on about how bad the war in Iraq is.
Bush got congressional authorization for Operation Iraqi Freedom including Hillary’s vote.
Clinton launched attack on Serbia without Congrssional authorization or UN mandate.
He wanted to show that NATO was still relevant and had a role to play even though Russia was no longer a threat. Thousands of innocent Serbian civilians died in this military propaganda show.
Bush got congressional authorization when he launched Operation Iraqi Freedom including Hillary’s vote.
Clinton launched attack on Serbia with no authoriztion nor a mandate from the UN.
At the end of Cold War, he wanted to show that NATO was still relevant though Russia wasno longer a threat. It was a propaganda display of our military might.
I just got an email from a liberal friend (?) responding to a comment I made about the casualties during the Clinton admin. She said that Rush quoted misinformation. All I know is from my perspective as a citizen of El Paso, the 4-1 CAV lost plenty of soldiers during Clinton’s reign. A death is a death. When you pledge to serve and protect, who cares if the death is natural, accidental or through combat. These brave young women and men deserve our respect and honor. They put their lives on the line every day. In El Paso, when we see a person in fatigues, we say, ” Thank you for serving our country.” And you know what? We actually mean it.
Don’t forget reagon when 41 marines were killed he ran like a chicken hawak
All:
Shirley’s figures are totally bogus. She’s padded the deaths during Democratic administrations and subtracted during Republican administrations to the tune of thousands and thousands, shifting, adding deaths–using these heroes as pawns in her partisan game.
Go to the Congressial Research Service document cited by her (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf ), Table 4, page 7, you will see these actual shown below.
I’ve copied the whole thing: the last figure in each column is the total deaths.
But don’t believe me: go to the document and see for yourselves.
CRS-7
Table 4. U.S. Active Duty Military Deaths, 1980 Through 2006,
Part I, Total Military Personnel
Calendar
Year ActiveDutya Full-Time (est.)Guard-Reserve
Selected
Reserve
FTEb
Total
Military
FTE
Total
Deaths
1980 2,050,758 22,000 86,872 2,159,630 2,392
1981 2,093,032 22,000 91,719 2,206,751 2,380
1982 2,112,609 41,000 97,458 2,251,067 2,319
1983 2,123,909 49,000 100,455 2,273,364 2,465
1984 2,138,339 55,000 104,583 2,297,922 1,999
1985 2,150,379 64,000 108,806 2,323,185 2,252
1986 2,177,845 69,000 113,010 2,359,855 1,984
1987 2,166,611 71,000 115,086 2,352,697 1,983
1988 2,121,659 72,000 115,836 2,309,495 1,819
1989 2,112,128 74,200 117,056 2,303,384 1,636
1990 2,046,806 74,250 137,268 2,258,324 1,507
1991 1,943,937 70,250 184,002 2,198,189 1,787
1992 1,773,996 67,850 111,491 1,953,337 1,293
1993 1,675,269 68,500 105,768 1,849,537 1,213
1994 1,581,649 65,000 99,833 1,746,482 1,075
1995 1,502,343 65,000 94,585 1,661,928 1,040
1996 1,456,266 65,000 92,409 1,613,310 974
1997 1,418,773 65,000 94,609 1,578,382 817
1998 1,381,034 65,000 92,536 1,538,570 827
1999 1,367,838 65,000 93,104 1,525,942 796
2000 1,372,352 65,000 93,078 1,530,430 758
2001 1,384,812 65,000 102,284 1,552,196 891
2002 1,411,200 66,000 149,942 1,627,142 999
2003 1,423,348 66,000 243,284 1,732,632 1,228
2004 1,411,287 66,000 234,629 1,711,916 1,874
2005 1,378,014 66,000 220,000 1,664,014 1,942
2006 1,378,014 66,000 220,000 1,664,014 1,858
Source: Defense Manpower Data Center, Statistical Information Analysis
Division,
Thanks for posting the real data. Shirley, why did you change the numbers?
Be careful who you read - it seemed odd to me that so many LESS people would be dieing in the military since we went to war (regardless of whether you wanted us to go to war in Iraq or not that just simply seems counter-intuitive).
I had the numbers from an earlier post emailed to me and was very interested because they seemed so detailed and researched which I mistakenly assumed meant they were credible.
Then, I noticed two diferent versions of the same numbers for a couple of the years in two of the posts above so I decided to check the table they both cite.
SURPRISE, SURPRISE the table they are supposedly citing has COMPLETELY different numbers which don’t support what they are saying at all.
The TOTAL deaths in the military for all 8 of the Clinton years was 7,500. The total numer in 6 years of the current Bush administration was 8,792. (According to your sources, I don’t know that these are accurate or not but it looks like a credible document).
The rates on Suicide, Accidents, Illness, etc are all pretty much so in line with the last half of the Clinton administration - when the size of the military had already been reduced. The big difference? 2,596 deaths from Hostile Action and 238 still pending investigation. In other words the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
Now I’m not saying anything about whether the Afghanistan and Iraq wars are good, bad or indiferent. Ones opinoin of them is irrelevent to the FACTS behind how many people have died in the military while those wars have been waged.
As for the news media - if this line of bunk had been true, we would have heard about it at least from one of the conservative media outlets like FOX which I watch all the time.
As for the media not doing their jobs by not reporting the deaths - there was EXTENSIVE reporting of the 75 deaths from Terrorist attacks and 1 death from Hostile Action during the Clinton years, as there were the 55 from terrorist attacks in 2001 under George Bush, the 293 from terrorist attacks under Reagan - (Beriut), and 1 from terrorist attacks under George Bush Sr.
Of course the news media doesn’t report about every single accident that happens in the military outside of conflict, just like they don’t report about every death in a car crash, or every case of cancer, or every suicide. That isn’t a liberal bias it simply is a matter of our having a very large military which sees deaths every single day in peace or war. All those who serve in the military deserve our gratitude, but those who die fighting for their country deserve a special place in our hearts and warrant the extra attention - whether you are a liberal crack-pot, or right wing zealot or like most of use, somewhere in between.
To those of you who are pushing this deliberate misinformation - Why you would deliberately change the numbers about honrorable men and women serving in our military and how they DIED, to trick people into believing something that serves YOUR agenda is unknown to me but whatever your motivation it is evil, it dishonors the memory of all those who have fought and died for our freedoms and you should be ashamed of yourselves. You are no Patriots.
A list of numbers without putting in the source means nothing.List your soudce so we can check your information.
I’m late to this blog, but after reading all these posts and all this continuous blathering–those which spoke most deeply to me and so “right on” were the following:
Ron Simpson’s post of 11/29/07
Becky Downey’s post of 11/7/07 and
Kip’s of 11/7/07
No bullshit, just truth from the heart. I LOVE IT!! That’s real Americans speaking there, folks. Keep up the plain, simple truths that you are sharing. They matter.
Your military-losses-1980 is pure propaganda
You can read all about this ruse here.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_military_deaths.htm
It was Bush the first that sent us to Somalia. Aug of 1992, 5 months before Clinton took office. You can argue all you want about Clinton’s handling of the mess Bush One handed to him, but don’t say it was Clinton that sent us there. When you do, you’re either lying or just too lazy to look it up.
Just wondering where you got your statistics?
Michael (jan 20, 08),
You are SO right! I also couldn’t believe the numbers and did a little investigating as well. The website these numbers are taken from is http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf and the numbers have been changed in this post to suit (fill in the blanks). I urge everyone to research these facts; as these altered statistics were actually sent to me in a private email; so they are obviously being cut and pasted into everyone’s political agenda., Do your HOMEWORK; folks. It is totally irresponsible to forward emails without verifying the source or content!
You are comparing “all deaths” during the Clinton years and only Iraq deaths during Bush term.
I think we have lost the real focus. While we sit here bickering about numbers. Keep in mind that each one of those “numbers” is a life. A son, daughter, mother, father, brother, sister, cousin, Aunt, uncle, and a friend. Wether you agree with the war or not, doesn’t change the fact that we are there.
The success of our troops depends largely on what happens here at home. Believe it or not, many of our troops do have access to US media. Put yourself in their shoes for a moment, and think about it. How would you feel, if all you were was a statistic? They recognize that their job puts them at the greatest risk. Keep in mind it is a risk they volunteer for. The US military is the elite military force in the world because it is voluntary enlistment.
They have a cause. They fight for freedom, they fight for you, for me, for every man, woman, and child that desires the freedoms that all men should be entitled to. Some fight for other reasons as well. I know a few soldiers that fight because they want to carry on a family tradition; thats fine too.
My point is this, when those brave men and women put in their hours, the last then they want to see is their fallen comrads being the source of a political debate which is only trying to prove who is right or wrong. When will we be able to unite behind a cause again, like the day we lost 3000 civilians on our own soil, that day 7 years ago.
Often times wars are won when one side loses morale. Usually that loss of morale is brought upon by the other side showing superiority in battle. That is not the case here. The US can easily win the battles in Iraq. If you have been paying attention to military tech, you would probably notice this. The US is however suffering from a loss of morale, and what is sad, is its not Al Qaida, or Hamas, or the other terrorist orginizations, its us. Its us! If we lose this battle, we only have ourselves to blame. I have to hand it to those soliders to still even concider fighting, after some of the things said here at home. But then again, thats why they fight. Because they are stronger than most of us could ever even comprehend.
Something else we should concider is how we phrase what is going on in Iraq and the rest of the middle east right now. I refere to it as a battle over a war. The war that President Bush declared, is over. That ended when Sadam Hussein was captured, and the government was overthrown. We are now fighting a war that Bush didnt start, clinton didnt start, Bush Sr, didnt start, nor did any of the other presidents start. THe war on terrorism has been going on for thousands of years. They United States is just the most recent addition to the cause to end terrorism. So I ask that we refrain from placing blame on people for something that we really have no reason to blame. I understand people are upset about the circumstances, but thats war. We can pull out of Iraq, but that wont end the war on terrorism. That will certainly stop the troops death tole from rising…..at least for a while. There is no guarantee that we won’t just end up right back there again, or somewhere else, and the numbers will come right back up. We need to think about the long term here. What will our actions now, do for the future.
I tried my best to be unbias here, though I do have my oppinions, but at the time, my opinion really doesn’t matter in a situation this big. One man’s opinion may ask for change, another mans opinion will ask for consitance. What ever your opinion is, stick with it, as its not wrong. There is no wrong opinion.
Sorry this was so long but I am really just getting sick of the division we have within this country. So what if someone is liberal, or conservative. So what if someone likes Bush and someone doesn’t. In the end, whats it matter if you like him or not? I’m for the troops, and only the troops. They know the truth. Lets listen to them for once.
All of this just proves to me you can’t trust the media, blogs or the canidates. You have to research things your self and form your own opionion. It is so easy to distort or spin things to prove your point but there is nothing more solid then FACTS.
Michael, I hope you aren’t implying I posted incorrect numbers. I copied the table directly from the federal document and gave the web address and invited people to see for themselves. Those are the numbers. I was correcting Shirley’s doctoring of the numbers. Facts do matter.
We’ve forgotten the reason for the ‘police action’ in Iraq was because of the United Nations resolution 1441 and to get Saddam.
What’s happened since has little to do with this discussion.
BTW; about as many deaths by gun fire happen in Detroit every month as does U.S. deaths in Iraq. That’s just one city.
There, in my opinion, has never been a war against Iraq. But, there is a war against terroism just as there is a war against drugs.
As far as stirring up a stink in the middle east, that’s been going on for 3000 yrs.
You Republicans are amazing. You try to compare Bush, the man with the lowest IQ we have ever had in the White House, with Bill Clinton, the man with the highest. Perhaps that is because he speaks to your level of intelligence. Wouldn’t you prefer a president who speaks in full sentences. His intent was to go into Iraq long before the Christian Coalition put him in office. 40 million good, God-fearing Christians, who could care less about how many people he sends to their deaths, or whether or not he destroys our country, put him into office because he opposed abortion. You don’t care that there is a police record in which Laura had him arrested for getting drunk and beating her up. You don’t care that we have lost all credibility around the world, and that we are the laughing stock of all the countries that used to respect us. You only care that he is anti-abortion. It’s people like you who will probably get him a third term, through his surrogate, John McCain. God Help America.
People’s memories are amazing. Recall all the times we were attacked during the Clinton Admin. The USS Cole, the Embassy bombings, just name a few. Clinton knew it was Obama so why didn’t he do more to get him? Now everyone wants to either forget about 9/11 and/or blame Bush for 9/11. No one wants to talk about how Clinton cut back on our military. So 10 1/2 months into Bush’s admin we get bombed. Unfortunately we had been weakened militarily by Clinton. I wonder if we would still be in Iraq had Clinton not damaged the morale of the military and made so many cutbacks. I find with Dems that I know, they have very little respect for the military. I find it shameful and embarrassing! Every single military officer should be thanked everywhere they go! Next time you see one - you ought to wake up and shake their hand. It’s because of them that you even have the countless freedoms available to us today. Shake their hands! I do and so does my 6 year old son. Do you?
I meant Osama, not Obama. Obama’s name is everywhere - a totally honest error.
We won’t hold that slip against you, after all even Ted Kennedy made the same mistake.
[...] of military victories, during Clinton’s first four years in office? I can’t think of a thing. Military Casualties During The Bill Clinton Administration Wake Up America Digg - Peacetime Military Deaths in Clinton Years Higher Than Bush [...]
It is not only important to get the loss of life correct, but it is important to measure as a per cent of the total military. Looking back at the correct published numbers (www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/rl32492.pdf) as cited above - NOT IN SHIRLEY’S BOGUS MISPRINT - one can see that as a percent the current losses are higher than during previous administrations. That site breaks it down as a ration per 100k troops. The interesting thing to me is what has changed since 1990 to reduce the accident rate? I heard someone suggest drink/driving reductions - just curious if anyone has any insinghts.